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[foxidrive]

Good one misi,

Mrs misi can judge but 1/2 a forte tablet would be better than nothing if Mrs misi is aching badly - maybe some prunes with custard for dessert can help avoid any problems. A 1/2 is a bit less potent than two regular panadeine.

 

[misi]

1/2 is a bit less potent than two regular panadeine.

As long as she can take the pain she's not going to take medicines which contain codeine.
That's her decision and I agree with it.
Panadeine is slightly less dangerous, it does not contain pure codeine.

 

[foxidrive]

Yes, it's her decision.

But both panadiene and panadeine extra and panadeine forte are not pure codeine.

They all contain paracetamol and different doses of codeine.

 

[misi]

But both panadiene and panadeine forte are not pure codeine.

No, they are not pure codeine:
Panadeine contains paracetamol and codeine phosphate.
Panadeine Forte contains paracetamol and codeine.

 

[TeeEm]

There has been a significant jump in the number of codeine-related deaths in Australia, new research has revealed.

 

[Megabyte]

Seems Voltaren is working.

That's good news

 

[foxidrive]

Panadeine

I had to check misi - as I understood otherwise: http://www.mydr.com.au/medicines/cmis/P
They all contain the same active ingredients, just different amounts.

Panadeine contains 500 mg paracetamol and 8 mg codeine phosphate as active ingredients.

Panadeine EXTRA contains 500 mg paracetamol and 15 mg codeine phosphate as active ingredients.

Panadeine Forte comes as a white capsule shaped tablet, marked PF.

Active Ingredient

• Paracetamol 500 mg
• Codeine phosphate 30 mg

 

[foxidrive]

codeine-related deaths

The government limited the pain killers already a year or so ago. I would not be surprised if there was a dollar reason for it.

 

[misi]

They all contain the same active ingredients, just different amounts.

I thought that codeine phosphate was lighter than pure codeine.

I would not be surprised if there was a dollar reason for it.

A big dollar reason.
Prescription drugs usually are cheaper because the government pays part of it.
People are using it more and more, the gov. pays more and more.
The same people are becoming addicted to it, have to cure them to drop the habit.
That costs more for the gov.

 

[foxidrive]

I thought that codeine phosphate was lighter than pure codeine.

I know very little about different forms of chemistry misi, the chemical bonding and plus and minus an electron this-and-that was always mysterious to me, but sulphates and phosphates and fat-phates (I have lots of that last one) mean nothing to me.

I did know they all use the same active ingredient and the name is just shortened to codeine - they all have codeine phosphate in them as shown at the links above and I pasted from the documents.

So, regardless, I hope Mrs misi is in less pain and that if she does feel worse that she does something to relieve it.

My friend rang me last night and his lower back needs pins in to stabilise the spine with surgery - he has Tramadol and other kinds of seriously strong pain killers - he was in so much pain and has been for quite a few weeks after a recent fall, but he refuses to take the bloody pain killer! "I'll just lie down for half an hour" says he when he couldn't continue to talk on the phone.

People are using it more and more, the gov. pays more and more.

That's how I see it too.

And a few more people overdose - I'd bet my bottom dollar that a number of them wanted to leave this world of agony-without-relief-for-them and taking some pills is far preferable to jumping in front of a train or bus or more horrible things.

 

[misi]

Back from the doctor.
Mrs misi has to take the Voltaren (and Panadeine F)for 5 days, scan is not necessary.

 

[foxidrive]

scan is not necessary.

That's bloody wonderful - it appears that no lasting damage is suspected.
Time will help heal hopefully. Does Mrs misi have to take time off work too?
Or is looking after Mr misi and grandkid misi's her full time job?

 

[misi]

Does Mrs misi have to take time off work too?

No, she's at home permanently, looking after misi.

Back to codeine:
Found one usable link: http://www.pharmer.org/forum/discus...erence-between-codeine-sulphate-and-phosphate

Can anyone tell me whats the difference between codeine sulphate and codeine phosphate?

Molecular structure for starters. But in this case I dont think there is a difference in pain killing ability mg vs. mg between the two though. The pharm companies take drugs like Codeine base and turn it into Codeine Sulfate or Phosphate so our bodies can more easily absorb it. It should be noted that Codeine Sulfate tablets in all availble strengths (15mg,30mg and 60mg) are all CII controlled substances. Whereas Codeine Phosphate containing tablets are CIII because all the commercially available preperations contain atleast one other active ingredient. However even the Codeine Phosphate would be a CII if it didnt contain the other active ingredients and if the Codeine Sulfate contained another active ingredient it would a CIII.

 

[misi]

Back to the beginning.
She coughs, with a temperature of 38.5.
The back pain disappeared thanks for the Voltaren.

 

[foxidrive]

I've been distracted for a few days - I'm glad Mrs misi's back pain has resolved.
It sounds as though she's quite unwell.